Where have all the owners/drivers gone?

leadfoot4

Champion
I attended the ROC Modified show, this past Friday at Spencer. Something I noticed, beside the rather low car count, was how few owners/drivers are from the Rochester area. It seemed like maybe 25% of the modifieds were what you'd consider "locals", whereas the greater number of cars were from further away. In days gone by, it was the other way around.

And on a different note, kudos to the organizers for trying to push the show along, and get it in before the rain came. And also, I applaud their decision to run the modified feature first.......they almost got it in!
 
This is a product of no weekly divisions, weak owners multiple divisions and ideology of not wanting to change for the better of racing. Asphalt racing is dead. Stick a fork in it. Even the roc mod tour is dead. No interest on watching 1 or 2 drivers win all the time
 
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Also even wgr550 dropped fast track a local car race talk and now talk F1 like seriously wgr550. You can listen to F1 talk every Friday after 930 with Howard and Jeremy. Everytime,they talk F1 or gambling I turn that off
 

moselli

Rookie
The evolution of asphalt modified racing from the coupes and coach “Modified Sportsman” era to the present almost seems like it was inherently designed to put this class of cars into extinction, which it may very well do.

The sophistication, race motors, chassis technology, need to buy almost every part from a specialty
supplier at a significant cost have closed the backyard garage doors forever. Average guy can’t come close to be able to afford to go racin’ In this class.

The improvements in safety for the drivers have been a tremendous benefit of the technology but the faster speeds and quicker lap times do nothing for the fans in the stands when a race becomes the proverbial follow-the-leader in a 12 car feature. Rule books written by a Philadelphia lawyer add another delightful challenge to competitors.

Promoters have an unsolvable problem. Low car counts mean low fan counts which means purses that can’t meet the cost to field a car. Low purse mean low car count. Back around again to low fan counts. Sponsors are fewer as we buy our groceries and underwear from Amazon. Most are reluctant to spend dollars to advertise where
exposure is limited. Oh yeah, overhead costs, local ordinances and weather are a minor hindrance to operating a track.

Keyboard jockeys have all the answers, but unfortunately most of the proposed fixes only work in a
different dimension of a world gone by. Raise the purse and the racecars will magically appear. . .

Regards to all,

Moselli
 
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I agree raise the purses to reflect the inflation that Brandon has caused. If you raise the purses, publicize the race the cars count will be there. Mods should pay 3k to win but the problem is the back end of the purse. I would go back and I enjoy utica rome fyi. My new home track.
 

BOZO6106

Veteran
Oh yes Utica-Rome,another great asphalt track covered in DIRT just like Fulton all for the mighty $$dollar and the the people that own these places claim to be a friend of auto racing like Spencer Speedway owner John White who hauled all of his money from Long Island to central N.Y. to buy 2 tracks that sit dormant for most of the year.
 

kt

Champion
Against my better judgement but here goes...

"rather low car counts"...Lon, the show you went to had 23 modifieds on hand. I'd say that was pretty damn good in this environment.

"Asphalt racing is dead"...see above...Good racing and good crowds at all 3 ROC events this year. People still love the modifieds....

"Not interested in watching one or two drivers win all the time."...Mike Leaty has won 2 of 3 ROC races so far this year. I believe he was winless last year. Patrick Emerling won the other one. Matt Hirschman, the hottest driver in all of asphalt modified racing, is winless in two starts on the ROC tour. Andy Jankowiak(defending ROC winner), Chuck Hossfeld(3 time ROC winner), and defending Champion Austin Beers are all capable of winning at any track. Sounds pretty competitive to me. Throw in another half dozen drivers that are capable of winning in the right situation.

All these drivers and more are expected to be at the F/A PRODUCTS Maynard Troyer Classic at Spencer Speedway on Friday, 9/2. We are working towards $8000 to win and $1000 to start....We are expecting a full field of cars and hoping for a couple invaders. No, I don't know who is going to win in advance. Please consider joining us for a great night. Follow rocmodifiedseries.com and my fb page for more information. (ReeseBisousEisenhauer on fb).....
 

leadfoot4

Champion
Against my better judgement but here goes...

"rather low car counts"...Lon, the show you went to had 23 modifieds on hand. I'd say that was pretty damn good in this environment.
Ken, I don't disagree with you, but on the other hand, I'm old enough to remember when there were usually closer to 30 modifieds in the pits, pretty much every week. And at the past ROC show, there were a few notable drivers absent, for whatever the reason. But the real point that I was driving at, was how few "mods" are based out of the immediate Rochester area, anymore. And I do agree with your phrasing, "in this environment"........(thanks, Brandon!! :mad: )

"Moselli", I find your comments interesting, however, let me pose this question. Living in the northeast, where we have long, cold winters, that the area's road crews use road salt to fight the icy conditions, where would the racers continue to find suitable "raw material" to make race cars out of? As an example, Chevrolet's Chevelle was a popular car for a starting point for many race cars, however, by the time they were "used up" as street cars, and reached the wrecking yards, where they became race car raw material, there generally weren't too many of them left, and of those that were, there wasn't much of them left.

Consequently, without going to "scratch built" cars, there'd be no modifieds, as we've come to know them. That does bring up a couple of points, in my opinion, however. Most of the rise in expense, is tied to the "exotic" parts that crept their way into the cars. Parts like roller cams, and the associated parts that go with them; dry sump oil systems, with their associated components; and a really big expense is a tire that lasts only 50 laps, or so, etc, etc.

Something else that has me thinking, with respect to spectator interest, is that the cars all look the same, except for their color. Yes, at one time they were predominantly coupe and coaches, but as those bodies became scarce, bodies like Falcons, Corvairs, and Chevy IIs became more common, and provided a change of pace, as well as some variety.

Yes, the modifieds still put on an exciting show, without question, but it could be even more interesting, if there was some visual variety within the field. I'm sure that there are still a few people that don't really understand that the body of the car is nothing more than that, a body, therefore they'll be drawn to the track, and root for the race car that resembles the one they drove to the track in. Nobody drives to the track in a Cavalier, anymore.........
 
10 years ago you had weekly racing at lancaster, lake erie , Holland, perry , Oswego, sl2 , Chemung, and Spencer.

The main thing that destroyed asphalt racing is weak owners without a plan and not keeping stock as the backbone to the rules packages and changing with time.
 

kt

Champion
Lon, I agree, the show was lacking some star power. Matt Hirschman, Andy Jankowiak, and Chuck Hossfeld are all expected at the MTC III in September. We have a great purse, are also raising fan money, and hope to draw a full field and couple other invaders.

...Not sure what good it does to debate why or how we got to where we are now. It' doesn't matter what was going on 10/20 years ago. We have what we have.

...Come out and join us for the MTC III. If not then, ROC puts on great shows, there is one this weekend at Holland. There are more races at Spencer and Lancaster this year. Wyoming County and Chemung are running weekly. Jody London also puts on a great race at Oswego the same night as the MTC III for the Super Stocks. Asphalt racing is not dead and it doesn't do any good to argue that it is.....

You can be part of the problem or be part of the solution.....
 

kt

Champion
Lon, as to your original question. I sold all my stuff in 2008. I was beyond broke at the time. While I'm not broke now, at 64 years of age, I don't have the desire, or mental and physical capabilities that I once had. And it's not the age, it's the mileage.....lol

The cost of fielding a winning modified has just about doubled since then. The purses haven't. All the more reason to respect and support the guys racing that we have left....
 
What we have going on now is not worthy of supporting and is reflected in this chat or lack their of chat. Blame the owners and its time to put pressure on them to organize (that Is if they care)
 

leadfoot4

Champion
Lon, as to your original question. I sold all my stuff in 2008. I was beyond broke at the time. While I'm not broke now, at 64 years of age, I don't have the desire, or mental and physical capabilities that I once had. And it's not the age, it's the mileage.....lol

The cost of fielding a winning modified has just about doubled since then. The purses haven't. All the more reason to respect and support the guys racing that we have left....
Ken, I understand where you're coming from. While I was never poor, I certainly wasn't rich, and while I had a strong desire to get out on the track, I just didn't quite grasp how much it was going to take, financially, to get there. I had accumulated a good chunk of cash available to work with, due to an extreme amount of overtime I had been working at my job, for about an 18 month period, in the early 80s. I also had a couple of friends that were initially enthused about taking a stab at things. So, somewhat against what common sense would dictate, I found myself owning a race car.

Long story short, the money was spent in fairly short order, the friends, consequently, became disillusioned and faded away rather quickly, and common sense kicked in, on my part. At that time, I was 37 years old, completely on my own financially, and I had become used to enjoying 3 meals a day, as well as having a roof over my head. Something had to be sacrificed, consequently, it became the race car....

What I can say, looking back from my now 70 year old perspective, is that for better or worse, I can at least say that I gave it a shot. Maybe not a good one, but one nonetheless. At least, when my time comes, they won't be lowering me into the ground, for the remainder of time, with me wondering what might have been.

And on a cheerier note, I'll see you all at Spencer's in September...................
 

Turbo01

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I'm making the trip up from Nashville for the MT CLASSIC, hoping to stay through the week and hit the US open the following weekend.
 
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