buckwild18
Newbie
Anybody changing the rules for any classes skyline thuner mountain thank and 5 mile point 4 the factory stock junk yard dog class
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Going to Penn Can's banquet next friday to see if they are changing anything. Well, that and to try to drink $36 dollars worth of draft beer.....
Since we are on the subject, as one of the top competitors in the Pure Junkyard Factory Dog class, what (if anything) would you like to see changed? For me, I'de like to see stricter motor rules. Specifically, get rid of double hump heads and use the widely available smog heads with 1.94/1.5 valves. Tires are a problem but I don't know how to fix it. American Racers that street stocks use are NOT the answer, eventhough they cost less than a DOT tire. Recaps are too soft also. IMCA tires would be about the same compound as DOT tires and cost less, but their would be the cost of changing over. Shrinking the tire size to 215 would open up a lot more possibilities but again, the cost of changing over
Since we are on the subject, as one of the top competitors in the Pure Junkyard Factory Dog class, what (if anything) would you like to see changed? For me, I'de like to see stricter motor rules. Specifically, get rid of double hump heads and use the widely available smog heads with 1.94/1.5 valves. Tires are a problem but I don't know how to fix it. American Racers that street stocks use are NOT the answer, eventhough they cost less than a DOT tire. Recaps are too soft also. IMCA tires would be about the same compound as DOT tires and cost less, but their would be the cost of changing over. Shrinking the tire size to 215 would open up a lot more possibilities but again, the cost of changing over
buckwild18
Newbie
I like skylines 46 percent weight roll I agree no double humps.....
WreckermanDan
Veteran
It would be nice if the same rules would apply everywhere . That way no mater where you run you could be competitive !! What a great idea !!
I really like the 46% rule also but it would be hard to enforce at Penn Can or Thunder with their scales. Skyline has the right idea with limiting rear % but I would like to see the "no adding weight" part removed. My car is just over 42% with weight removed. Silly to have to hide weight or use a 22 gallon fuel cell.
Cooper Cobra's are a good idea but they are expensive; something around $120 for the ones I bought. Actually, I couldn't find a DOT tire for less than $90 of any brand. Getting hard to find used 225/235 15's too. That's why I was thinking IMCA Hoosiers; less than $100, hard as a rock, and everyone would be the same. I do know that American Racers are not the answer. I bolted them on for the "open" show at 5MP without changing a single other thing. Within half a lap, I realized I needed more gear, different weight distibution, and completely different shocks and springs. It was the only race I raced last year that I was under-powered for and I'm a "small-motor guy". More grip requires more HP which is the opposite direction this class needs to go in my opinion.
Cooper Cobra's are a good idea but they are expensive; something around $120 for the ones I bought. Actually, I couldn't find a DOT tire for less than $90 of any brand. Getting hard to find used 225/235 15's too. That's why I was thinking IMCA Hoosiers; less than $100, hard as a rock, and everyone would be the same. I do know that American Racers are not the answer. I bolted them on for the "open" show at 5MP without changing a single other thing. Within half a lap, I realized I needed more gear, different weight distibution, and completely different shocks and springs. It was the only race I raced last year that I was under-powered for and I'm a "small-motor guy". More grip requires more HP which is the opposite direction this class needs to go in my opinion.
buckwild18
Newbie
I was 42. 43. Percent all seasons turbo blue we added way up to 46 percent the car was perfect I believe that a imca would be good too just trying to get all the tracks to stick to the same rules as hard to do
Penn Can, Skyline, and Thunder rules are all somewhat close now. I feel that when the best cars from each of those 3 tracks get together, no one really has a advantage. Of course, those are the cars that are built to be legal at all 3 tracks by those of us who want to be able to travel to different tracks. If you built to the limits of the Penn Can rules, you'de only be American racer tires away from a street stock. The class needs rules to seperate it from street stock; that way the guys who want to go fast and spend money can and those who want go slower with older stuff can have a class of their own. I think simple and easy to enforce rules can accomplish this. Such as a head rule (smog heads, no screw in studs or milling, 1.94/1.5 valves), piston rule (flat tops), tire rule, and make them all run pump gas. Some of this is already in place and others could be easily added to seperate from the higher division
Gomerpyle
Racing Genius
Steve, you need to get the rules of the Thunderdogs when Karl first added them to the track. They were "PURESTOCKS". The 2nd year we had them, we had a full field every week. WHY? they were cheap to build and race and were lots of fun for the guys who wanted to race but couldn't afford a Street Stock. PURE PURE PURE STOCK. Rules changed for them, now they have 5 or 6.
Gomer, I remember those days cause I was one of those 30 car full fields. I started with a 4 door malibu with a junkyard 305 in it. Ran mid-pack. Next year I had a full cage car with a built 355, ran top 10. Then Dick took over and tried saving the class from itself by implementing pretty strict motor rules. I think between the changes in the rules and the changing of "vision" for the class, that's what took it from 30 cars down to 5. But in my talks with people running the tracks now, they all seem to be wanting this class to be a new home for old street stock chassis. You know as well as I do that, while the idea on it's own isn't bad, you can't combine guys with "old" (extremely subject to interpretation) street stocks with guys running Dog cars. The Dog cars will get scrapped in favor of full-blown racecars and then we are headed right back down the same never ending FMDA-factory-pure-street-pro stock road. Right now, the "old" Street stock cars are just starting to be allowed and while no one has dominated with one yet, someone will make one bad fast real soon and then the rest of us will have to follow. That said, if motor and tire rules are right, they will eliminate the need for speed shop chassis (while still allowing them) and put most on a more even playing field
gbrown88B
Veteran
i have no complaint about 46% rear rule that skyline has as long as i can add weight to get to that like steve said. but it would be great if all tracks either get the same rule, or skyline do away with it, just for the simple fact that the same car without changing set up can run at any track. i also dont mind the smogger head deal. i ran a set of 882 last yr and never had a problem. i went with double humps this year just for the simple fact of smaller chambers. and i definelty noticed a difference in power. but still wouldnt mind either way as long as EVERYONE was on the same ball field... to be honest i think all the rules are pretty close for the most part from track to track. and it honsetly would take much to make one set of rules for all tracks. although im sure that will never happen. it would be cool to get the few top competitors in the class from each track to meet with promoters/ tech inspectors and make a set of rules once and for all! :
Gomerpyle
Racing Genius
That is one of the problems George, for over 20 years, promotors only listen to the few "Top Runners" when it comes to rules instead of the other 15 to 20 guys. The next thing you know, the rules have been changed for the "top runners" who probably have more coin in the pocket to pay for the "goodies" they want. In a couple years you have an 8 to 10 car field. I have seen that time and time again in at least 3 or 4 classes.
That's what is kinda unique about the class right now; the front runners are some of the "stockest" cars out there. I know at Penn Can, the top 4 in points are all old style Dog cars with stock floor/firewall and stock mount shocks. I'm pretty sure Buck, Culbertson, Witt, and Sissenstein are the same so maybe for once in history, the front-runners would be the ones to ask? Cause as I already said, if tracks are going to allow street stock cars, then that's what guys are going to show up with. My guess is that none of the current front-runners would want open up rules. Actually, from what Buck and George are saying, they favor further restriction. Doesn't really matter though cause the dream ends when you get to the part where tracks work together and agree on a common set of rules
